The Truth About Lie Angles

The Truth About Lie Angles

Well struck golf shots are the sum of about a hundred different things working together in a single moment – some mechanical, some mental, some circumstantial, and some a function of the club that’s held in your hand.

Lie angle is one such element that can have a dramatic effect on your ability to strike the ball well.

This Lesson Is For You If:

You want to hit more pure shots

You want a better understanding on how lie angle affects your swing

The Big Picture

What you are looking to accomplish when you swing the club is center face contact.

Additionally, you’d like the impact lie angle as close to 0* as possible, the face to path relationship as close to 0* as possible, and the swing direction as close to 0* as possible (or whatever intended ball flight you’re trying to accomplish).

This is the formula for optimal and consistent ball speed time after time.

Why Does Lie Angle Matter?

Why does lie angle matter to us?  Because at impact, when the toe of the club is up, the planar angle of the face (face normal) will be closed to the target line.  If the toe is digging, the face normal will present open to the target line.

Factors in Lie Angle

Lie angle at address  or static play angles can be influenced by a great many things.  The length of a player’s arms, how a player addresses the ball (posture), and the length of shaft are among the factors.  However, this is not all that we need to know.

What Happens At Impact?

If a club sits perfectly at address, does that mean that it will come into impact the same way?  Not necessarily.  Is a club that marks the lie board perfectly the best fit for that player?  Same answer.

What needs to be considered is what’s happening dynamically during the swing.  Is the lie angle forcing the player into a compensation?  Is the player forcing the lie angle into an undesirable position?

Here at The Studio we are fortunate to be equipped with GEARS motion capture which allows us to measure living, breathing profiles of how the shaft is deflecting, drooping and twisting throughout the entire swing.  This allows us to understand the interactions between the player, shaft, and lie angle so that golfers can attain repeatable center-face contact.

Stop by The Studio and get fit for a set of the best clubs you will ever have from True Spec Golf or work on your game in one of the most sophisticated swing labs in existence.

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Rick is currently the Director and owner of M|3G (Movement3Golf), located in Chicago's legendary north-shore of Highland Park, IL. Silva has worked with more than a half-dozen tour players, a United States Amateur Champion, Walker Cup member, and countless NCAA golfers. Before going out on his own in 2010, Rick was the Director of Instruction and biomechanics specialist for real-estate developer Michael Meldman's Discovery Land co. properties With elite-level knowledge in the use of Flight Scope|TrackMan, K-Vest, AMM and the GEARS-3D, club as well as body tracking system, his teaching base, "The Studio", is equipped with the most advanced technologically anywhere in the Midwest. In addition to technology, Rick has mastered certifications in TPI, NG|360, Golf Bio-mechanics and is Manzella Certified. Rick's knowledge of the golf swing, functional movement, technology and the science of how it all gets put together is a combination that very few possess. Rick's use of cutting edge swing science research and the latest technology systems has made him one of the leading authorities in improving golf swings with the use of technology.

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7 Comments

  1. ChristopherKee

    Great information. Makes me wonder if I swing the swing I swing because of bad lie angle and my bodies need to make the ball go straight, or do I swing my swing and the lie angle is correct and I’m not compensating?

    • Matt Saternus

      Christopher,

      That’s a great question and something that you can tie your brain in knots with. The beauty of being on GEARS is that at least you’ll get all the data on the club and your swing/body so you can see how things change as you change lie angles.

      Best,

      Matt

  2. Matt,

    Would you know if all golf companies produce the same lie angels in their clubs? And, what is the ideal person that most off the shelf clubs fit (height, length of arms, posture, etc)?

    • Matt Saternus

      Monty,

      Most companies stay in a certain range, but they’re not all the same. We post the standard lie angles in all our iron reviews.

      I don’t think there’s a “ideal person” for off the shelf fit because, as this article discusses, it’s not about the static measurements but the dynamic swing.

      Best,

      Matt

  3. Monty,
    Each OEM has a different “standard”. I can tell you at TrueSpec Golf. We baseline everything off of TSG standard and adjust from there. There isn’t a specific “body type” ideal for off the rack/ stock equipment. The reason being that we’re not measuring from a static position (like a lot of other fitting companies do), we are taking into account the ballistic nature in which the individual golfer offends the shaft during the entire swing.

  4. Matt,
    Why wouldn’t a lie board with the impact mark in the center of the sole not indicate an appropriate fit ?
    Ron

    • Ron,

      You can mark the center of the tape and be completely unable to hit the face or control the face angle. Those two things are much more important than how you mark sole tape.

      Best,

      Matt

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